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How do you feel about suicide/assisted suicide?
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Since Wyvern came back I want to slit my own throat. 14% (5 votes) If you want to die, who needs your sorry self. 3% (1 vote) If you want to die fine, but do it your dern self, assisted suicide is murder. 3% (1 vote) It's a way to have a peacfull and dignifide death. 35% (13 votes) Every life is precious and deserves to live as long as possible. 0% (0 votes) It should be limited to the extremely sick and elderly. 30% (11 votes) It's fine as long as they left everything to me. (Not a joke some people will do anything for $$) 0% (0 votes) If we killed the dying rather than letting it happen on it's own time we could use their organs to save lives. 5% (2 votes) I should get to decide who lives and who dies. 3% (1 vote) No one should ever die ever, we should all live forever. 8% (3 votes) Total votes: 37  Tue, 08/19/2008 - 10:18am — MollyMormon
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Haha... *I* wanna know who
Haha... *I* wanna know who has the "god-complex"!
Looks like Molly finally
Looks like Molly finally voted!
hehehe
hehehe
i like how "dignified" is
i like how "dignified" is spelled liked "vegfide"
Aww. That's a nice
Aww. That's a nice observation. :)
I did do that on purpose,
I did do that on purpose, you can see I spelled it right down the line.I am not sure if anyone ever dies with dignity. Death is ugly no matter how it happens. Save a chicken:)
I have seen four people die
I have seen four people die so far in very beautiful dignified ways. It seems rare, most people I've seen die or know that died had a very sucky tragic end. Odd though even the tragic ones seem to leave a good message.
"I have seen four people die
"I have seen four people die so far in very beautiful dignified ways." That's really cool...not that they had to pass of course, but you've witnessed them passing in a beautiful, dignified way. It makes me hopeful.
It has changed my life. For
It has changed my life. For some reason lots of people I know die early- some say I'm cursed- perhaps just equipped to deal with it. The good deaths are actually very inspiring, and the bad ones show me how to help people who I can help. I don't fear death anymore that's for certain.
plus if you spell it any
plus if you spell it any other way it seems to just take you to porn sites.
-pip!
Love first, ask questions later
www.dezigns.etsy.com
Honestly non of them applied
Honestly non of them applied to me. So I voted for Wyvern...He would have wanted it that way! LOL! Just kidding really.
--RuNnInG WiT SciSSoRs--
Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option
Yeah I do tend to have that
Yeah I do tend to have that effect on people.
HAHAHA I want to know who
HAHAHA I want to know who voted for #1. Save a chicken:)
The number is
The number is growing!!!!
--RuNnInG WiT SciSSoRs--
Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option
i considered being the
i considered being the second to vote for that, but i didn't wanna make wyv vanish from vegifide all over again. ;P i actually thought that YOU were the first vote.
I actually have not voted.
I actually have not voted. Save a chicken:)
yikes. If it's none of the
yikes. If it's none of the people who would have been kidding about it I HOPE it's not someone who is serious. geesh.
I can't vote for any of the
I can't vote for any of the choices.
If you want to kill yourself, that's your right.
If you want to have someone assist you in killing yourself, that's your right.
IMHO Assisted suicide shouldn't be illegal. After all, it's not "your" choice to decide how someone else lives (theoretically), and as such it shouldn't be "your" choice to decide how someone else dies.
The closest options I see to those are:
"If you want to die, who needs your sorry self.
If you want to die fine, but do it your dern self, assisted suicide is murder. "
And I don't believe in 'Who needs your sorry self" and I don't believe that assisted suicide is murder.
So I couldn't vote.
Wouldn't that fall under
Wouldn't that fall under it's a way to have a dignified death? Save a chicken:)
No cause dying while
No cause dying while meditating is also a way to have a dignified death- a million ways to die with dignity. The answers are all too slanted. It should have had the option of "People should have the freedom to make this decision."
I think another good
I think another good question is why is it illegal? I mean, I know why it's illegal (like the way it's written), but why is it still allowed to be?
From what I've read technically the bible just says no murder, and murder is defined as unlawful killing, so there's a nice little loophole. If it's unlawful it's murder but if it's yourself is it unlawful? I know technically (attempted) suicide isn't illegal, it just gives "them" the right to place you in custody until you wont do it. Seems just as bad.
The government doesn't make any more sense. Everyone's right to life protected by law? Yeah, except if WE want to execute you.
So, I chose "it's a way to have..." but that does seem limited to assisted suicide, so I will add that I also think if someone is suffering that badly I'm not going to try to take away their right to stop (and there may not be anything graceful in their particular method).
I don't see an option for my
I don't see an option for my vote. I like to have more- rather than less options. It should be up to the individual.
In Oregon you have to go through some counseling and be terminally ill and get some other endorsement or something. In the old days the ones who helped were left feeling like they broke the law even though they were helping someone. More options equates to more liberty. More freedom fries!
And in Oregon Micah, most
And in Oregon Micah, most people who ask for assisted suicide are unable to find a doctor who is willing to assist them. I have had more than one such patient. Most doctors are still afraid that they will be in trouble if they help, they don't want to be sued by family members who object to their loved-one's decision. Really it's kind of sad. I think people who are suffering like I've seen some patients suffer, should have the right to decide when they've had enough and be allowed to choose their own way and time of ending it.
I'm torn on this one. There
I'm torn on this one. There are definitely cases where assisted suicide is the right thing to do.
I think I'm more for cutting the machines and letting people die naturally if it's possible. Sometimes pain is a natural part of life, and I think we should let life end when it is time. As I said, I don't think it's clear-cut in any case, so there are exceptions to this.
I'm not clear on what you're
I'm not clear on what you're asking. Is the focus here really just assisted suicide?
No it's assisted and or
No it's assisted and or unassisted. Save a chicken:)
I voted it should be limited
I voted it should be limited to the extremely sick and elderly. It's a tough question. On one hand, I'd like to think that if I were miserably ill and the only thing keeping me going was medical technology (i.e., I should for real be dead), I would really hope there'd be a way for me to let go. I do not think it's right that doctors that perform assisted suicides for the sick who request it be jailed. On the other hand, I went to a wake three weeks ago for someone who committed suicide. I understand that you have the right to do with your body as you see fit, but I just can't articulate how icky that whole thing is. Icky and awful..but obviously, for those left behind. I think the reason I got confused originally is because in my head, for whatever reason, suicide (assisted or unassisted) in cases where the person is terminally ill, etc., is just so different to me than suicide for other reasons.
"..but obviously, for those
"..but obviously, for those left behind."
Precisely. So, since I am not the one suffering, wouldn't it be selfish of me to want you to continue living just because I can't comprehend it being THAT bad to go on.
(I think you know by now that I'm not calling YOU selfish, just using this post as a way to discuss and evolve my current views.)
Oh I totally know! But
Oh I totally know! But honestly thank you for clarifying all the same. :)
"Wouldn't it be selfish of me to want you to continue living just because I can't comprehend it being THAT bad to go on."
Sure. It might be selfish in the sense that you want people you care for to stay with you and that might override your desire to see them let go if that's what they want to do. Depends. It might be selfish...or it might just be that I feel like there's still a chance that with some help, you might indeed find that life *isn't* that bad that you can't go on. I do get that the latter situation isn't going to apply so much to the terminally ill and so forth, which is why I don't have much of a problem with the person in that situation deciding that (s)he's had enough.
"or it might just be that I
"or it might just be that I feel like there's still a chance that with some help, you might indeed find that life *isn't* that bad that you can't go on."
How long do we hold out for hope, and who decides when "enough is enough"? If someone has really tried (to get "help"), who are we to say that they should keep suffering or that they didn't try hard enough (in our opinion)?
"If someone has really
"If someone has really tried, who are we to say that they should keep suffering or that they didn't try hard enough (in our opinion)?"
Well that's why I say it just depends on the situation. I'm not here to tell anyone they should stick around and be miserable. I don't think the law should require anyone to stick around and be miserable. Also, I'm not judging anyone in the fashion that I'd say they didn't try hard enough to get help (defining "help" here as going to a doctor or counselor, trying support programs, etc.). I recognize that in some cases, people don't try to get help (or help themselves for that matter). In some cases, it's just not available to them. In others, whatever crappy help they got was of no help at all.
I'm just kind of an odd blend of optimistic and cynical; I therefore recognize things can really suck but still hold out hope that maybe things could get better (again, unless it's the eldery/extreme illness thing). Speaking of selfishness, one could argue it's selfish to ask the person to stay here. One could easily also argue that it's selfish to check out, and leave everyone that ever cared about you caring the burden of your grief.
That was deep. I think I need to go look at some Lolcats now. :P
"I'm not here to tell anyone
"I'm not here to tell anyone they should stick around and be miserable."
No, I get it. I'm happy to be able to discuss it with you, and I know you weren't judging. I was just using questions to gain an understanding of your views.
It may be selfish to check out, but that is their decision and not mine. I can be selfish and want them to stay, but not try to make it a law that they have to. (I know, I know - you aren't saying it should be a law) Being selfish in not letting someone "check out" is an action on another person, but being selfish and "checking out" is only an action on yourself, the grief that a loved-one is feeling is not something that they are MADE to feel, only a side effect of your decision.
I'm not belittling the pain and suffering of the family of suicidal people, either. I hope you know that, too. :(
"I was just using questions
"I was just using questions to gain an understanding of your views."
I can dig it. :)
"The grief that a loved-one is feeling is not something that they are MADE to feel, only a side effect of your decision."
That is true. By recognizing that the person didn't MAKE me feel sad, for example, I would merely be taking responsibility for my emotion instead of putting the responsibility on them. But even if it's a side effect of their decision, the net result is still the same.
And no, I didn't think you were belittling. It's all good. But again, thanks for clarifying. :)
Get a room you two!
Get a room you two!
You're just jealous.
You're just jealous.
Hahahahah! See, what you
Hahahahah!
See, what you don't know is unhindered and I were sending each other hate mail the whole time and then I punched her in the head, in direct violation of my non-violence thread.* LOL
*not a true story :P
Well, it's a good thing that
Well, it's a good thing that you added that footnote or people might report you for domestic violence. :)
thanks for speaking my
thanks for speaking my thoughts for me. i didn't feel like typing all of that myself. :) in reading it again, i think i agree with all of this.
Hey! You're welcome. :)
Hey! You're welcome. :) Hehe.
that was deep! and i love
that was deep! and i love looking at lolcats to cheer me up! i used to not be able to even begin to comprehend how life could be so traumatic and awful that someone would commit suicide. that was when i was young, and ultimately that is a healthy way to think. then when i got older and really sick i did understand it and wanted it more and more and more. i did ultimately get help and am recovering now, but what if one of my attempts had worked? i don't know, makes me really believe there is some higher universal energy around this crazy universe. today i am back to believing that i do want to live and people around me seem grateful that i am here. It is really "icky" as you say to be around for the afermath of a suicide, and the people "left behind" kirk cameron....:)...hope someone gets that reference....are left to deal with the total inconclusiveness of that life....icky is right.
again katy with the rambling. you two really had a thoughtful and respectful exchange there. you should lead a class on vegifide debating....oh, and How Dare You.
xoxoxo
How dare YOU! lol "today i
How dare YOU! lol
"today i am back to believing that i do want to live and people around me seem grateful that i am here"
Yes. We are. :)
well that I can 100% agree
well that I can 100% agree with.
oh god, i've missed you so
oh god, i've missed you so much ladies!!! xoxoxox
and i can't think of
and i can't think of anything worse than living forever. the fact that people are living longer scares me. i don't want to be old and sick and just clinging to life.
completely think it should
completely think it should be legal to have someone put me out of my misery if i've signed the papers to do so.
and suicide, well i get it and respect it. i tried so hard but the energy of the universe didn't want me to go away yet.
I only hope someone will
I only hope someone will euthanize me when the suffering and slow death is inevitable. I would prefer to let them know when I am ready though.