What is the deal with honey?

I know that there are vegans out there that refuse to eat honey as it is an animal by-product. Now, I understand the dairy issue, the cows are pumped full of hormones and over milked and generally mistreated, not to mention the incredible strain they put on the environment. And, I understand not eating eggs, again the mistreatment of the chickens and the horrible living conditions they endure. But, honey? Where is the mistreatment there? I mean, beekeepers are exactly that, right? They just keep the bees... bees doing things that bees do anyway... Plus, these beekeepers are usually doing their work in orchards and farms where our fruits and vegetables need to be pollinated by bees. So, I guess my question is: What's the deal?

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Yikes. Thank you smilesforthesun & chrysee


Answer by hifiorange

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because bees are so important to plant production, commercial bee producers do not keep bees in a friendly little hive behind their house. they are shipped all over the country, just like cows, chickens, pigs, and other livestock, to pollinate commercial operations.

honeybees (which we abuse to make our honey) are not native to north america. as a result of this and over-production, they are forcing out native bee populations, which is wreaking havok on local ecologies.

commercial bee production intentionally kills off bee populations to keep them from splitting; they kill queens to prevent uncontrollable growth; they are treated with pestisides; they are treated with chemicals to subdue them while their food is stolen; they are forced into commercially-produced combs which are not right for their size which leads them to grow smaller and leads to parisite infestation; the sugar-water left behind for them does not contain enough nutrients to sustain them to their proper health. the list goes on.

this site isn't vegan, but it goes into some of the problems: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5194.cfm

wikipedia also talks about colony collapse disorder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

even if bees were 'kept well' by beekeepers, their essential food is still not ours to use.


Answer by chrysee

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We shouldn't eat honey because bees are creatures, too. (Besides, honey is basically bee vomit.) Like sassafras said, regardless of how careful beekeepers try to be, a few bees often get killed in the collection process. =(

Here is a good article to read which also responds to your comment on the pollination of crops - http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qahoney.htm

And here is the link to a discussion in the Forums ("Grey Areas") about honey - http://vegifide.com/forlife/node/562


Answer by smilesforthesun

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You're welcome, thanks for bringing it up so I could remind myself to avoid honey again :)


Answer by sassafras

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Thank you sassafras. I had no idea such practices were in use. I will consider avoiding honey now because of this!


Answer by hifiorange

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It's not as simple as just taking the honey and being on their way- read on....

Bees are often killed in the production of honey, in the worst case the whole hive may be destroyed if the keeper doesn't wish to protect them over the winter. Not all beekeepers do this, but the general practice is one that embodies the attitude that living things are mere *material* and have no intrinsic value of their own other than what commercial value we can wrench from them.

Artificial insemination involving death of the male is now also the norm for generation of new queen bees. The favoured method of obtaining bee sperm is by pulling off the insects head. Decapitation sends an electrical impulse to the nervous system which causes sexual arousal. The lower half of the headless bee is then squeezed to make it ejaculate. The resulting liquid is collected in a hypodermic syringe.

(from: http://www.ivu.org/faq/food.html)

I personally think mutilating a bee to death for his semen is pretty sick.


Answer by sassafras

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Ok, fair enough. They do produce honey for their own consumption. But, they do not pollinate orchards and farms for the sake of humans either, yet it is ok to eat those fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds that are ONLY produced because a bee pollinated it.
By the way, I am not putting down anybody that chooses not to eat honey. I am just in the mood for a friendly debate and thought I would get more bites if I took the pro honey side. :)


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Bees don't make honey for humyns, it's that simple. Regardless of how kindly the bees are kept, creating honey has its purpose, and that purpose is definitely not sweetening humyn food. Also, Bees shouldn't be "kept" anyway, that's not natural.


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